Do you check your air every day? Why ???

An RV owner in Western NY said:
"OK ... I'm new at this, and I appreciate the importance of proper inflation. But short of damage to a tire I would think daily checking of PSI is more of a cause for air loss. Or is there something I'm missing? There seems to be a real fixation on this topic. I doubt school bus drivers place as much emphasis on this topic as RVers do."

You're correct. Too many fixate on daily air checks. In years gone by that was the best method we could use, but sticking valves can cause air loss and it is not unheard of for a tire to start leaking air right after an air check.
This post shows just how easy it is for a piece of grit to get into the actual valve core opening and could allow air to leak out slowly.

To me avoiding this potential issue is one of the major advantages to using TPMS, but for some reason I have never heard anyone mention this benefit. Since I run TireTraker TPMS I don't do a manual air check unless the readings go below the normal variation range of 3 to 5 psi around my "Set" pressure of 72 psi. Other than the start of my travel season, I may only do a manual check once a season.

Now if you don't want to run a warning system then a manual check each travel day is the only way you can know there is a slow leak. Now to me running without a good TPMS would be much like driving without any gauges or warning lights on your dash.  Would you feel comfortable if this

is what your dash looked like? Be sure to take a close look before you answer.


If you wait till your "thumper"
makes you suspect low pressure you are getting about as much information as checking engine oil by banging on the oil pan with a hammer.



If your IR gun

 makes you suspect high temperature you may already be too late and might have done permanent structural damage to the tire and shortened its life by many months or even years. Rubber is not a good conductor of heat so you will almost certainly not get the reading from the hottest location.



Just as there were advances in early cars when the temperature gauge was just a thermometer stuck in the top of the radiator,

today we have electronics capable of providing the current pressure in our tires so we can receive a warning as soon as it starts to leak air from the elevated hot pressure in our tires.



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What do you think of IR guns? – Part 2

In Part 1, I covered the problems of obtaining a sufficiently accurate temperature reading due to the high level of temperature variation across a tire tread. In this part I will cover a comparison of the temperature readings of a TPMS sensor hat mounts inside the tire air chamber with an IR gun and a tire temperature probe as used by a tire manufacturer in professional level tire racing.

Again this will be more technical than some may want to read so the summary is that.  

TPMS sensor

 1. The TPMS provides a lower average temperature than seen in the tire hot spot. 2. The IR gun and race tire probe give similar readings but the IR gun gives lower temperature readings than the probe. 3. None of the gauges provided a reading that identified the tire that was 10 psi (15%) low. This confirms that you cannot use a temperature gauge to set the proper inflation for your street tires.

The set-up:  My normal cold inflation is 70.0 psi in my LT235/85R16 LR-E tires on my Class-C RV. I have had my unit weighed and know the actual corner weights. According to my loads and my placard, my minimum cold inflation should be 55 psi. I set one tire 10.0 psi lower than the other six tires.

The test  -  It was cold (49°F) the morning I drove 13.5 miles (8 on Interstate at 60 mph) to meet with the manager of race tire development for one of the major tire companies. We then drove 1.3 mi on city streets to the interstate followed by 5.9 miles at 65 mph. We stopped and recorded the temperatures of all six tires in less than 30 seconds of stopping. 

Notes
It was the RF that was 10psi low.
The Race probe reads to 0.1°F

Conclusions: For normal tread depth street tires you cannot use tire temperature to set your tire pressure for if you try to set pressure so all tires read the same temperature you may be off by 20% or more from what is needed based on your load. The internal air temperature as read by a TPMS is cooler than the hot spot of a tire. The surface temperature as read by the IR gun will be lower than the probe which is closer to the hottest spot on a tire.

Bottom line: IR guns are OK for conductive metal parts such as hubs and brakes but are not sufficiently accurate for items with large temperature variation over small distances. Probes will give a more accurate reading than a surface reading. To get the actual hottest temperature a probe needs to be able to reach the edge of a tire belt.

What do you think about temperature guns? Part 1

I get asked that question.

This can get technical so if you don't want to get bogged down, the answer is - IR guns are OK for metal objects or for surfaces with uniform temperatures but not for getting accurate tire tread area temperatures.

Now for those that want the details.
I see some who claim on RV forums that the guns are a good tool to help determine the proper tire inflation for their RV. I own an infrared (IR) gun I got from our favorite cheap tool store, Harbor Freight. So you might expect I use it all the time. While I did use the gun for my Tire Cover Test, I have only used it once on my tires and that was during my study to collect data so I could offer this observation on using IR guns for monitoring tire temperatures.

During my career as tire engineer I have used needle probes on Indy racing tires for drivers like Mario Andretti and Al Unser. These probes were designed to penetrate into the tire to the top of the body cord which is the hottest location. If I did not probe deep enough I would get a misleading low temperature. An error of just a few degrees could be critical.

I have also been involved with the use of thermal imaging systems costing tens of thousands of dollars, to conduct tire design tests, so I know from personal experience that they can provide information on the operating temperature of a tire under load and at speed. What I also know is that different parts of a tire can have a very large temperature variation. If a tire is going to fail or be damaged due to excess heat, it is not the average temperature of a tire but the temperature of the hottest spot that may cause the damage.

To help you understand what I am talking about let’s look at some thermal images captured by a laboratory quality IR system. These images are from a book “The Pneumatic Tire” by Gent & Walters, distributed by NHTSA in 2006. The 707 page book is aimed at tire engineers and chemists, so it is definitely not a quick read while at your campsite. While I did consult a very little bit with a couple of the engineers and scientists that contributed to its writing, the majority of this information came from very experienced members of the tire industry community, some of whom worked for different major tire companies and others who have PhD’s in their field and others who teach college and graduate level chemistry or tire mechanics courses. These guys know their stuff.

IN THIS SERIES OF IMAGES, you can see the variation in temperature both with inflation level and across various portions of the tire being tested. I have added yellow circles approximately ½” diameter. I think you can see that it is essentially impossible to find a uniform temperature over such an area especially when increased temperature differential becomes more important.

The lab IR equipment has a very high resolution which means it can differentiate temperatures across very small areas, 0.10” or smaller. To help, green is 90°F and white, or hottest, is 140°F. It is important to also remember that rubber is a good insulator and does not transfer heat rapidly, so it takes minutes at a constant load and speed for the higher temperatures generated deep within the tire structure to migrate and stabilize at its surface which is constantly being cooled by the surface air.

You should note that different portions of the tread pattern have very significantly differences in temperature with the highest temperatures deep down in the bottom of the grooves, slots and sipes of the pattern. To obtain these higher temperature readings it is necessary for the IR sensor to “see” down into these tread pattern features while also not including the much cooler temperatures only 0.10” to 0.25” away and to be able to record the temperature while the tire is running. It is also important to notice that as you move away from the tread pattern and down to the smoother sidewall, the temperature gets much cooler. So if you try and use your hand held gun on a more temperature uniform portion of the tire you will no longer be reading the hot locations.

IF YOU HAVE USED YOUR HAND HELD IR GUN to learn the temperature of your tires, I think you can see that you have been mislead, as the area used to sense the surface temperature was too large to capture just the hot area in the tread area, or you targeted the more uniform but much cooler sidewall of the tire. In either case your readings do not provide a reliable or sufficiently accurate reading to be used for tire inflation setting measurement.

I am sure that some still think that they have made the effort to be very precise when taking temperature readings. They always shot the exact same location (i.e. the same tire lug for they vary in size and therefore vary in temperature) on each tire, were only a ½” or less away from the tire surface to get the hot location in the bottom of a slot, and that the time to measure all their tires was always less than 30 seconds after stopping and always in the same sequence to address the surface cooling that all tires go through, or maybe not.

So, in my next post, I will show the results and analysis of the test of pressure variation effect on temperature I ran with the manager of race tire development at a major tire company, who was gracious enough to assist me in doing a comparison of my TPMS that reads the contained air temperature (CAT) using a probe mounted inside the tire vs. a hand gun vs. his professional 0.1° F reading probe which gets into the rubber and provides a reading closer to the source of the temperature.